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True Story: The Samwer Brothers are now Cloning Amazon

Please find updates at the end of the article:

Oops, they did it again. TechBerlin found out that the notorious Samwer brothers just launched a new site in Southeast Asia called Lazada. According to a TechBerlin source the company is headquartered in Singapore and geared towards countries like Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines, Singapore, Thailand and Taiwan. Amazon currently has no presence in these countries. 

In good old photo copying manner the Samwer brothers decided to take on the biggest e-commerce company on the planet, cloning Amazon down to the last pixel just like they have previously done with other US startups like Fab , Pinterest (Samwer Version), Airbnb (Samwer Version) or Groupon (Samwer Version). Interestingly enough, Lazada copied Amazon’s old design. According to TechBerlin sources the company is led by ex McKinsey man Maximilian Bittner. TechBerlin has contacted Maximilian as well as Amazon for a statement. 

Lazada’s Design is a one-to-one copy of the old Amazon design

This time the Samwer brothers are attacking one of the biggest companies in the world and it will be interesting to see how that will play out. Will Amazon give in and buy them in the end, just like Groupon or Ebay have done in the past? What do you think?

Update 1: TechBerlin has still not received an official statement from Rocket Internet.

Update 2: Lazada changed their logo overnight. When posting this article yesterday, the logo still had the Amazon style orange curve. It now features a shopping cart instead. 

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Update 3: Caroline Winter from BusinessWeek told TechBerlin today that Oliver Samwer confirmed Lazada’s HQ location (Singapore) with her, thereby verifying what TechBerlin had originally reported. Samwer described Lazada as an “early stage startup focusing on consumer electronics.” The BusinessWeek article was updated accordingly. 

Update 4: Apparently Lazada is also available in Egypt and the Gulf States

Update 5: The name of the site was changed from Lazada to Mizado. The logo was changed again. 

by Nikolas Woischnik

The Jason Calacanis Rant against the Samwer Brothers and German Copying on TWiST Berlin

After acknowledging the innovative new startup spirit in Berlin (“this is a fiery group”) during the TWiST Berlin show, the host Jason Calacanis starts a rant against the Samwer Brothers and how they had ruined the image of the German startup landscape.

He said that Germany was getting a “bad name” because of the Samwer brothers whom he referred to as “lying and cheating … photocopying thieves”. According to Jason people around the world started to believe that Germans are not original thinkers and that this was not true! He asked the audience to “boo and hiss” at the Samwers whenever someone runs into them and to convince one’s friends to not work for them. 

The audience loudly cheered in consent! It seemed that finally someone with broad international reach called out what many Berliners think. 

by Nikolas Woischnik

Yuri Milner passes on Samwer investment due to “Rude” Biz Style

It seems that the reputation of the Samwer brothers is not just crumbling among their staff or being subjected to bitter satire these days. Big international players are also starting to turn their back on the trio that is said to leave ethics off the table when doing business. Focus, one of the leading magazines in Germany reported that Russian Billionaire investor Yuri Milner (Twitter, Groupon, Zynga, Facebook) opted out of investing into Samwer’s new fund. According to Focus, Milner and other investors do not want to be associated with the “rude leadership style” of the German clone factoryRocket Internet is said to raise state funds from the Abu Dhabi Investment Authority and Temasek Holding of Singapore instead. #samwerbashing 


Is the Groupon Model doomed? Insights from a Groupon Cloner

Groupon and its clones had a week of terrible PR. I have rarely seen such bashing of a company on leading tech blogs and magazines such as TechCrunch, the GuardianThe Huffington Post, Mashable or Business Insider. Instigated by Groupon’s recent S-1 filing, those articles were mainly raising concerns about the viability of the model and the financials of the company. 

One of the more insightful, albeit too pessimistic analysis of the model, was this TechCrunch article calling for the collapse of Groupon

Since I am not a financial expert, I will leave financial due diligence to others.

Having founded a Groupon Clone myself (Reduti was a Groupon clone for premium offers, which was sold to Daily Deal), I can, however verify that we did see shortcomings of the model for the merchant. Our biggest concern was the lack of measurement as to whether this actually worked. What if the return rate of new customers was too little to make it worth the discount-investment by the merchant? What if most Groupon buyers are just looking for a bargain and will not return to the restaurant but instead try another discounted Groupon the next time they feel like going out for dinner?  

When merchants raise these concerns the typical sales argument by Groupon is that Groupon’s value proposition was to bring new customers through the door and that the conversion of those customers into loyal customers was entirely in the hands of the merchant. That argument works with Groupon users, who seek to find a new favorite restaurant or hair dresser that they did not know of before. It does, however not work with users, who just look for bargains and have no interest in returning to a merchant and ever paying the full price of a service. 

At Reduti we tried to overcome those shortcomings by firstly concentrating on premium offerings. With our deals being way more expensive than Groupon deals, the discounted, yet still fairly high price was not too appealing to the typical bargain hunter.

Secondly, we wanted Reduti to have a curator function and become more of a premium city guide for cash rich, time poor urbanistas. The discovery of great new places was the key value proposition, the discount just a luring side product. How did we do this? Every deal, for example was tested by our team members, including picture taking and a proper write up. Unfortunately that turned out not to be easily scalable.

So does that mean that the way Groupon operates hurts the merchants? In some cases maybe, but surely not in every case. Redesignmobile made a list of 6 cases, when it makes sense to run a Groupon and i could not agree more:

1. You have a new business

2. Your business has a subscription model or high lifetime value

3. You have fake pricing to begin with

4. You have a third-party really footing the bills

5. You are running an event with excess capacity

6. You are going broke anyway

Those use cases could leave enough space for some niche players focusing on segments. The question that remains to be answered about Groupon is whether those use cases are big enough to carry a company with more than 4.000 sales people. 

As the articles of last week and this list suggest, the current Groupon model has its flaws and may ultimately not work for established merchants in the long run.

In my opinion, Groupon needs to team up with location based services and start tracking loyalty and integrating loyalty types of deals. I like how Topguest leverages existing location based services for loyalty programmes. If Groupon stops concentrating on just selling off capacity at a discount and starts adding loyalty components to its product mix, it may remain victorious in the end. 

How to optimize your marketing spend

In Germany, the Samwer brothers have long been known for their aggressive marketing. With Groupon buying Samwer’s Citydeal last summer and placing all international expansion in the brothers’ hands (the international HQ of Groupon is in Berlin!), word of the Samwer’s unrivaled execution has spread abroad.

Since most of their incubated companies are consumer facing businesses in young, competitive markets, marketing optimization is a key priority. Above is an interesting talk on marketing performance across multiple channels by Florian Heinemann from Rocket Internet, the Samwer incubator that gave birth to startups lile Zalando, eDarling or CityDeal/Groupon.  

Update: TechCrunch writes on June 10th that Samwers are no longer running international operations.

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